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admin
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Posted - 01/25/2008 :  8:26:16 PM
Is anyone using ADSL2 or ADSL2+ and if so, are you seeing the ~25Mbs speeds?? What are your issues or comments about this high speed delivery??
Todd McWherter
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Posted - 01/28/2008 :  11:01:24 AM


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Todd McWherter
Newbie


4 Posts
Posted - 01/28/2008 :  11:17:16 AM
We are using ADSL2+ in Springville with Pannaway equipment.  The best speed we've had in the real world is 20Mbs.  The loops are pretty short though, 3k or so.
During the install we had a test modem in the CO run 24Mbs right off the back of the DSLAM.
Hope this helps.


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admin
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Posted - 01/28/2008 :  7:41:00 PM
Thanks Todd....good info.  Are you running HDTV off these higher bandwidth loops?  Or, just really fast Internet service??

Also...can you share with us what steps or process you go through to "qualify" a loop for ADSL2+ ??  Is it just the basics like POTS service, or do you have other test sets//tests you go through to make sure the local loop will support that speed.



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Todd McWherter
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Posted - 01/30/2008 :  1:20:24 PM
No IPTV yet, soon though.

We don't qualify unless we run in to trouble.  When qualification is necessary we use a DELT (dual ended line test).  It gives a spectral analysis of the ATM stream.  I intend to acquire a field test set soon though.

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frnkblk
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Posted - 02/09/2008 :  4:34:09 PM
Yes, near 24 Mbps link rates are acheivable on short loops.  While people are naturally suspicious of vendors, the rate versus range charts for DSL are generally accurate.

We use Dynatel if we need to fix up a loop.  The DSLAM gear we have keeps pretty good tabs on the quality of the link, so that's the first place I look if a customer complains about link conditions.  That doesn't identify the problem, but it does tell me if there are real issues or not.

Frank


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admin
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140 Posts
Posted - 02/09/2008 :  6:19:46 PM
What are some of the top problems you find on a DSL loop??  Does it still boil down to a wet cable or a frogged pair??  Cut cable??  Or does it often happen to be the DSL equipment itself??  Thanks for info.


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Todd McWherter
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Posted - 02/11/2008 :  08:06:40 AM
What ADSL profile do you use for that 24Mbps?  What are your best upstream rates?


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NPatterson
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5 Posts
Posted - 02/11/2008 :  4:12:43 PM
Probably 70% of the DSL trouble calls that we receive... where the computer is not at fault, are filter realated. Either a filter is plugged in backwards or the customer forgets about the 30 year old rotary phone in the basement or garage of their house.

On a side note, if a filter is plugged in wrong, it will cause the Caller-Id to not work.

Line cords and faulty inside wiring are also things to look for.

Our outside plant is in relatively good condition. However, things we still have to look for are distance related issues and good ol' load coils.

Currently the fastest residential DSL rate we provide is 2Mbps down/512k up.

Any suggestions for an ADSL 2+ test unit??


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admin
Admin


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Posted - 02/13/2008 :  7:50:54 PM
I have heard good things about the SunRise Telecom test sets...both on cost and function.

You might even snag a good one off ebay....then maybe send in for a calibration.

The new Dynatel 965DSP/SA test set runs a good DSL test, but to be honest, when I did have a chance to use one, we spent more time on the physical wiring issues than the DSL set itself.

Does your Pannaway gear offer good monitoring and management features??  Maybe what you have in the CO is good enough for testing???

You can also "try it, before you buy it."  Check out TRS_Rentelco......rental test sets.
General purpose & communication test equipment for rent, lease, & sale

For orders and additional information, please contact TRS-RenTelco at:
800-874-7123
trs@trs-rentelco.com





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NPatterson
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Posted - 02/14/2008 :  1:59:02 PM

The most useful monitoring tool Pannaway’s Broadband Access Manager (BAM) can do is a DELT (Dual-Ended Line Testing). That gives you a graphical representation of Hlog, Quiet Line Noise, & SNR for upstream and downstream. We use those results and then compare them to what they should look like. These tests can help determine any outside frequency interference such as AM radio stations. You can then determine what frequency range is interfering with the adsl train-up and disable those bins in the adsl stream.

 

To be honest, I have yet to have that work for me, but I’m aware it’s a possibility. When a test result doesn’t look good, it’s usually something in the house such as a filtering or other CPE issues.

 
Other monitoring tools are; initializations of the modem (re-trains), CRC errors, train-up duration, and so on.

 
The reason we’re looking into purchasing an ADSL test unit to emulate a dsl modem. That way we can clip on right at the demarc. to isolate the inside wiring. Right now we are using an inverter, a spare modem, a 25 foot line cord with alligator clips, and a 3/4 -ton service truck to test. Necessity is the mother of invention!

Thanks for the suggestions!



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frnkblk
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Posted - 02/22/2008 :  2:14:51 PM
quote:
What are some of the top problems you find on a DSL loop??  Does it still boil down to a wet cable or a frogged pair??  Cut cable??  Or does it often happen to be the DSL equipment itself??  Thanks for info.



It's very, very rarely the DSL modem, though our techs change them out too quickly to appease the customer and assuage their doubts.  Most of the time it's a missing splitter, poor connections, or a poor drop near the customer premise.  If it's the drop we switch to another pair, and document the old (bad) pair.

Frank

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frnkblk
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Posted - 02/22/2008 :  2:21:24 PM
quote:

The most useful monitoring tool Pannaway’s Broadband Access Manager (BAM) can do is a DELT (Dual-Ended Line Testing). That gives you a graphical representation of Hlog, Quiet Line Noise, & SNR for upstream and downstream. We use those results and then compare them to what they should look like. These tests can help determine any outside frequency interference such as AM radio stations. You can then determine what frequency range is interfering with the adsl train-up and disable those bins in the adsl stream.

To be honest, I have yet to have that work for me, but I’m aware it’s a possibility. When a test result doesn’t look good, it’s usually something in the house such as a filtering or other CPE issues.

 
Other monitoring tools are; initializations of the modem (re-trains), CRC errors, train-up duration, and so on.

The reason we’re looking into purchasing an ADSL test unit to emulate a dsl modem. That way we can clip on right at the demarc. to isolate the inside wiring. Right now we are using an inverter, a spare modem, a 25 foot line cord with alligator clips, and a 3/4 -ton service truck to test. Necessity is the mother of invention!

Thanks for the suggestions!


As mentioned here, the broadband access platform can provide some very helpful information about the status of the line.  Every time a DSL customer calls about connection issues, it's the first tool I refer to, and I review the last 8 hours.  Since we use PPPoA/PPPoE, I also review the RADIUS entries to see how many times the modem authenticated.  I can usually match those up to error stats.

Frank



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Scott
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Posted - 03/06/2008 :  1:59:46 PM
I too am interested to know what others are using as an ADSL 2 + meter. We currently have sunrise meters but they need to have a different module for 2 +. They are a good meter but a bit pricey. 
We are using Occam for our DSLAM and are in the process of testing the INS IPTV video product over twisted pair. I have it installed at my house with a 15meg connection aprox. 3000 ft out from our office. There are still a few bugs to work out but it does have an excellent picture.

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admin
Admin


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Posted - 03/06/2008 :  8:23:17 PM
Very cool!! Please tell us more about the video project. I know this is the ADSL forum, but I am curious about the INS video project.

At the RIITA expo I didn't run into any vendors with ADSL2+, but I'm sure some where there.  I have yet to find one that really does much more than give you a basic "handheld modem" and tell you line speed and a few basic signal/noise readings.

What about the new SideKick Plus test set??  Does it have xDSL testing I wonder??



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frnkblk
Newbie


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Posted - 03/06/2008 :  9:50:27 PM
quote:
Very cool!! Please tell us more about the video project. I know this is the ADSL forum, but I am curious about the INS video project.

At the RIITA expo I didn't run into any vendors with ADSL2+, but I'm sure some where there. 




INS is working with Quative (a subsidiary of the Kudelski Group) to deliver an MPEG-4 based product that supports both SD and HD.  They are encoded using Modulus receivers and will be delivered over a GigE to the telcos.  The encryption for that product is currently using Nagravision's encryption/conditional access product.  The STB currently being tested is the "Prime" STB, more often called Martini.

There were two vendors with ADSL2+ products: Occam and Calix.

Frank

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