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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 8:02:02 PM
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 8:03:21 PM
Ok, here is one....Can anyone help me?? When measuring at a residential customer, from the NID....how much "loop current" should my test meter have? What is the normal or average before trouble starts??
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scottsmith22
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Posted - 01/28/2008 : 2:18:41 PM
Should have at least 20 mA of current, but should also be similar to others in the neighborhood.
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Posted - 01/28/2008 : 7:38:54 PM
That's a good point, just because you have at a minimum 20mA at one house, if the others that are off the same cable and about the same distance from the CO measure, lets say, 40mA....then you have a problem.
Also , remember that the common Butt Set test set is far better at "listening" to the quality of the line....it has lower resistance. The customers phone set is higher resistance than a butt set and may sound quite different than your buttinsky.
I wonder if you can have too MUCH loop current??
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bktom2
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 09:35:29 AM
You asked "I wonder if you can have too MUCH loop current??"
I found an interesting article at www.sandman.com that speaks to this:
"Until about the mid 1980's, the big problem with loop current was that it was often too low. That was when the only way to get from point A to point B was a pair of copper wires. Now, with the proliferation of electronic Central Offices and electronic pair gain equipment: T1, Fiber Optics, Remote Central Offices and SLICs in every suburban and even rural area (you can see these Huts and Buried Vaults scattered around everywhere), over 90% of the problems are high loop current. This is because the manufacturers of the "far end" pair gain equipment have adhered to a very old specification for loop current, but one that is still valid, that says between 23ma and 120ma are OK - but the CPE is much closer to the source of the talk battery than the old days. When the phone company tells you that they are within specs (while smoke wafts off your trunk cards at 80ma of loop current), they're right!
Both the phone company and CO equipment manufacturers have no incentive to bring the loop current down. All they have to do is make a standard 2500 set work (which has no active electronic circuitry to burn up), and the farther out it works... the better. Until the FCC sets a new standard for high loop current (unlikely), or CPE manufacturers take account of the high loop current problem (seems unlikely), the Interconnect company will be left holding the repair bag for these problems. Most CPE equipment was designed based on low loop current problems... it works well right down to 23ma. CPE manufacturers have been really slow to try to head off the high loop current problem. In the rare case of low loop current (below 23ma), the phone company is required to bring it up to 23ma.
The main problem created by high loop current is heat. The components on the trunk card or telephone that connect to a CO line with high loop current get hotter than the manufacturers planned for. When the components get hot, their specs change, which makes the circuit work differently - usually with unpredictable results. If the loop current is high enough, a component can get fried and the device will stop working instead of just having problems. Eventually, the heat from the high loop current can damage one or more components on a trunk card, shortening the life of the card."
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 9:20:55 PM
Excellent point....as with any "high current" condition, whether that be on a POTS/phone line or too high a current in your wall electrical wires, heat is produced and sometimes FIRE!
Thanks bktom2.....good stuff.
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rocker
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 9:04:33 PM
23 ma is the lowest reading according to the old bell standard. I see 20ma on some of the further out customers. There can be someone right next to the C.O. with 25 ma and another person a mile down the road with 28ma. Its got more to do with the C.O. equipment that the pair is tied to. Some of the big ILECs have some running pretty hot. (50 to 60 ma)
Mama said knock you out !
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rocker
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 9:09:42 PM
ma is the abbreviation for milliamp or 1/1000 of a amp. your not gonna start any fires with that low of current.
Mama said knock you out !
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